﻿{"id":1571,"date":"2015-01-29T11:25:16","date_gmt":"2015-01-29T10:25:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/?page_id=1571"},"modified":"2016-05-19T11:16:08","modified_gmt":"2016-05-19T09:16:08","slug":"lovci-editov","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/?page_id=1571","title":{"rendered":"Lovci editov"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ned\u00e1vno (vlastne to u\u017e bude nejak\u00fd ten mesiac) som osl\u00e1vila svoju <a href=\"http:\/\/tools.wmflabs.org\/supercount\/index.php?user=Eryn%20Blaireov%C3%A1&amp;project=sk.wikipedia\" target=\"_blank\">10\u00a0000.-tu wikip\u00e9distick\u00fa \u00fapravu<\/a>. Neskuto\u010dn\u00e1 predstava, \u017ee som u\u017e desa\u0165tis\u00edckr\u00e1t klikla na tla\u010didlo Ulo\u017ei\u0165 str\u00e1nku. A\u017e mi je zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, \u017ee to t\u00e1 my\u0161 vydr\u017eala a\u00a0d\u00e1 sa \u0148ou veselo klika\u0165 aj \u010falej. Ale vlastne, \u010do tam my\u0161 \u2013 aj tak som editovala z\u00a0viacer\u00fdch po\u010d\u00edta\u010dov. Zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, \u017ee to vydr\u017eal m\u00f4j ukazov\u00e1k, \u017ee nejav\u00ed zn\u00e1mky zasek\u00e1vania, odpadnutia&#8230; dobre, dobre, ja viem, nie je to ve\u013emi vtipn\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/uloz-stranku.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-3044\" src=\"http:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/uloz-stranku.png\" alt=\"uloz stranku\" width=\"538\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/uloz-stranku.png 538w, https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/uloz-stranku-300x130.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 538px) 100vw, 538px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Spom\u00ednam to preto, \u017ee ma to prim\u00e4lo zamyslie\u0165 sa nad po\u010dtom \u00faprav a\u00a0nad ot\u00e1zkou, \u010di ich niektor\u00ed redaktori nemaj\u00fa zbyto\u010dne ve\u013ea. Hoci v\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00ed po\u010det editov nepon\u00faka redaktorovi \u017eiadne zvl\u00e1\u0161tne v\u00fdhody (s v\u00fdnimkou <a href=\"https:\/\/sk.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pravidl%C3%A1\/Hlasovanie\" target=\"_blank\">hlasovacieho pr\u00e1va<\/a>), je akousi nevyslovenou domnienkou, \u017ee \u010d\u00edm v\u00e4\u010d\u0161\u00ed po\u010det editov nejak\u00fd \u010dl\u00e1nok m\u00e1, t\u00fdm je kvalitnej\u0161\u00ed. Nevyslovenou, ale samozrejme \u00faplne chybnou domnienkou. Hodnoti\u0165 \u010dl\u00e1nok pod\u013ea po\u010dtu \u00faprav je ako hodnoti\u0165 m\u00fadros\u0165 \u010dloveka pod\u013ea po\u010dtu pre\u010d\u00edtan\u00fdch kn\u00edh. A\u00a0nebra\u0165 pritom oh\u013ead na to, \u017ee niektor\u00e9 knihy s\u00fa kvalitnej\u0161ie ako in\u00e9, a\u00a0tie\u017e obsiahlej\u0161ie \u2013 \u017ee existuje aj kniha, ktor\u00e1 rozsahom vyd\u00e1 na p\u00e4\u0165 in\u00fdch. S\u00a0\u00fapravami je to rovnako. Jeden edit m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 kvalitnej\u0161\u00ed ako desa\u0165 \u010fal\u0161\u00edch. Ich po\u010det nehovor\u00ed o\u00a0kvalite \u010dl\u00e1nku absol\u00fatne ni\u010d.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Jedin\u00e9, \u010do zvy\u0161uj\u00faci sa po\u010det editov toho ist\u00e9ho \u010dl\u00e1nku zaru\u010dene rob\u00ed, je, \u017ee znepreh\u013ead\u0148uje jeho hist\u00f3riu, zaber\u00e1 miesto na serveroch, a\u00a0s\u0165a\u017euje kontrolu posledn\u00fdch \u00faprav. To s\u00fa dos\u0165 dobr\u00e9 d\u00f4vody na zamyslenie sa nad t\u00fdm, \u010di nie je vhodnej\u0161ie po\u010det editov redukova\u0165. Riadi\u0165 sa pod\u013ea hesla \u201edvakr\u00e1t meraj a\u00a0raz ukladaj\u201c. Alebo pod\u013ea m\u00f4jho wikimotta \u201e\u010di najviac \u00faprav na jeden edit\u201c. Toto som mimochodom nevymyslela ja. Existuje aj v\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/sk.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wikip%C3%A9dia:%C4%8Casto_kladen%C3%A9_ot%C3%A1zky#Pre.C4.8Do_je_vhodn.C3.A9_uklada.C5.A5_zmeny_v_texte_len_raz_po.C4.8Das_.C3.BApravy_str.C3.A1nky.3F\" target=\"_blank\">ofici\u00e1lnych odporu\u010deniach<\/a>. Ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa mnoh\u00ed na h\u00e1ku. Iste, na wiki s\u00fa aj z\u00e1va\u017enej\u0161ie probl\u00e9my. Len\u017ee&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pre\u010do m\u00e1 vlastne \u010dlovek potrebu editova\u0165 ten ist\u00fd \u010dl\u00e1nok povedzme tucetkr\u00e1t tesne po sebe? \u0164a\u017eko poveda\u0165. Ob\u010das je d\u00f4vod zrejm\u00fd \u2013 pohodlnos\u0165. Wikip\u00e9dista \u010d\u00edta dlho\u010dizn\u00fa str\u00e1nku, naraz\u00ed na preklep, chce ho opravi\u0165, ale u\u017e sa mu nechce h\u013eada\u0165 chybn\u00fa formul\u00e1ciu v\u00a0hr\u00f4zostra\u0161ne rozsiahlom texte, navy\u0161e pln\u00e9ho wikik\u00f3du. Tak klikne na \u201e\u00faprava\u201c pri najbli\u017e\u0161om nadpise a\u00a0zedituje len \u010das\u0165 textu. Hne\u010f to ulo\u017e\u00ed, aby mu nepreh\u013eadn\u00fd wikik\u00f3d zmizol, a\u00a0\u010d\u00edta \u010falej. Nesk\u00f4r naraz\u00ed na \u010fal\u0161\u00ed preklep, zase klikne na \u201e\u00faprava\u201c pri najbli\u017e\u0161om odstavci&#8230; a\u00a0tak sa stane, \u017ee k\u00fdm \u010dl\u00e1nok do\u010d\u00edta, pribudne v\u00a0\u0148om desa\u0165 rev\u00edzi\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Nie, toto nie je dobre, v\u00e1\u017een\u00ed. Cen\u00edm si \u00famysel nie\u010do vylep\u0161i\u0165, ale e\u0161te viac si cen\u00edm \u00famysel robi\u0165 veci poriadne a\u00a0efekt\u00edvne. Ak sa mi nechce \u010d\u00edta\u0165 wikik\u00f3d, m\u00e1m tu n\u00e1h\u013ead a\u00a0po novom aj vizu\u00e1lny editor. Na vyh\u013eadanie presnej formul\u00e1cie v\u00a0siahodlhom texte existuj\u00fa vyh\u013ead\u00e1vacie funkcie. Mo\u017eno bude oprava preklepov v\u00a0\u010dl\u00e1nku jedn\u00fdm editom st\u00e1le vy\u017eadova\u0165 \u0161tipinku viac n\u00e1mahy ne\u017e vzia\u0165 to po odstavcoch, ale nestoj\u00ed to za \u0161etrenie pam\u00e4te a\u00a0u\u013eah\u010denie pr\u00e1ce \u010fal\u0161\u00edm redaktorom?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pritom tieto postupn\u00fa \u00fapravy preklepov s\u00fa e\u0161te vec, ktor\u00fa ch\u00e1pem. \u010co nech\u00e1pem, s\u00fa ist\u00e9 edity registrovan\u00fdch u\u017e\u00edvate\u013eov, ktor\u00fdch je na Wikip\u00e9dii \u017eia\u013e mo\u017eno aj prevaha. Edity, ktor\u00e9 maj\u00fa ve\u013emi bl\u00edzko k\u00a0defin\u00edcii pojmu <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Help:Dummy_edit\" target=\"_blank\">dummy edit<\/a>. Naozaj m\u00e1 zmysel otv\u00e1ra\u0165 edita\u010dn\u00e9 okno len a\u00a0v\u00fdlu\u010dne povedzme pre odstr\u00e1nenie nadbyto\u010dnej medzery, ktor\u00e1 \u010dl\u00e1nok nijako nekaz\u00ed? Alebo odstra\u0148ova\u0165 nadbyto\u010dn\u00fd wikik\u00f3d, napr\u00edklad ob\u013e\u00faben\u00e1 likvid\u00e1cia funkcie \u201eright\u201c pri obr\u00e1zku, ktor\u00fd m\u00e1 funkciu \u201ethumb\u201c, ke\u010f \u010dl\u00e1nok perfektne funguje tak \u010di tak? Nechcem nikomu krivdi\u0165 \u2013 uzn\u00e1vam, \u017ee som po\u010d\u00edta\u010dov\u00fd (neefekt\u00edvny) samouk, o\u00a0nejakom html som pred wiki mala ani \u0161ajnu a\u00a0dnes m\u00e1m \u0161ajnu len v\u010faka wiki. Nevylu\u010dujem mo\u017enos\u0165, \u017ee tie dummy edity v\u00a0skuto\u010dnosti nie s\u00fa a\u017e tak\u00e9 dummy a\u00a0\u017ee to odstr\u00e1nenie rightu aj s\u00a0vygenerovanou novou verziou \u010dl\u00e1nku skuto\u010dne u\u0161etr\u00ed serverom viac miesta ako p\u00f4vodn\u00e1 verzia, hoci moja laick\u00e1 logika to vid\u00ed inak. V\u00a0tomto sa s\u00a0odborn\u00edkmi fakt nebudem h\u00e1da\u0165.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ale prinajmen\u0161om \u010do sa t\u00fdka medzier na koncoch riadkov, prekladov synonymn\u00fdch funkci\u00ed z\u00a0angli\u010dtiny do sloven\u010diny a\u00a0podobne&#8230; a ke\u010f u\u017e redaktor mus\u00ed kv\u00f4li tomu \u010dl\u00e1nok editova\u0165, \u010do tak si ho aj pre\u010d\u00edta\u0165? Iste sa v \u0148om toho n\u00e1jde na \u00fapravu viac, ke\u010f u\u017e ho m\u00e1m raz \u201ena stole\u201c. Ja to tak z\u00e1sadne rob\u00edm. Ak treba niekde upravi\u0165 kateg\u00f3riu, h\u013ead\u00e1m, \u010di tam nie je z\u00e1rove\u0148 aj nejak\u00fd preklep, ch\u00fdbaj\u00faci \u010di nadbyto\u010dn\u00fd wikiodkaz a\u00a0podobne. Pre opravu jednej jedinej prkotiny, \u010di\u017ee veci, ktor\u00e1 \u010d\u00edtanie \u010di ch\u00e1panie \u010dl\u00e1nku nijako nes\u0165a\u017euje, sa fakt neoplat\u00ed hyzdi\u0165 mu hist\u00f3riu a\u00a0zamorova\u0165 posledn\u00e9 \u00fapravy. O\u00a0to viac, \u017ee \u010fal\u0161\u00edch p\u00e1r vec\u00ed na zlep\u0161enie sa tam skoro zaru\u010dene n\u00e1jde. Sta\u010d\u00ed sa dobre rozhliadnu\u0165.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pozor, nechcem sa hra\u0165 na \u017eiadneho edita\u010dn\u00e9ho Hitlera. Tie\u017e viem, ako to chod\u00ed. Murphy neraz zariadi, \u017ee v\u00a0zobrazenom n\u00e1h\u013eade vyzer\u00e1 v\u0161etko OK, ale sotva \u010dl\u00e1nok ulo\u017e\u00edm, hne\u010f mi udrie do oka predt\u00fdm prehliadan\u00e1 chyba. St\u00e1va sa. Navy\u0161e, s\u00a0p\u00edsan\u00edm rozsiahleho \u010dl\u00e1nku \u2013 za predpokladu, \u017ee ho p\u00ed\u0161ete priamo do edita\u010dn\u00e9ho okna \u2013 je to ako s\u00a0beletriou. Na jedin\u00fd raz skoro ur\u010dite nebude dokonal\u00fd. Treba si ho pre\u010d\u00edta\u0165 s\u00a0odstupom, opravi\u0165 veci, ktor\u00e9 predt\u00fdm unikli. Postupne dopisova\u0165, dop\u013a\u0148a\u0165, \u0161perkova\u0165. A\u00a0ke\u010f \u010dlovek rob\u00ed s\u00a0\u010dl\u00e1nkom rozsiahle zmeny \u010di p\u00ed\u0161e dlh\u0161\u00ed text, je namieste aj obava, \u017ee vypadne pr\u00fad a\u00a0neulo\u017een\u00e9 \u00fapravy bud\u00fa fu\u010d \u2013 vtedy m\u00e1 zmysel uklada\u0165 v\u00a0jeden de\u0148 \u010dl\u00e1nok aj nieko\u013ekokr\u00e1t. Hoci keby sa chcelo, aj to sa d\u00e1 vyrie\u0161i\u0165 t\u00fdm, \u017ee \u010dl\u00e1nok sa nap\u00ed\u0161e v\u00a0textovom editore a\u00a0do wiki sa nahr\u00e1 a\u017e jeho hotov\u00e1 verzia&#8230; ale dobre, takto som to zv\u00e4\u010d\u0161a nerobievala ani ja. Tie\u017e som p\u00edsavala priamo. Tie\u017e som dodato\u010dne upravovala, aj kr\u00e1tko po sebe. Tie\u017e som si myslela, \u017ee u\u017e na \u010dl\u00e1nku nem\u00e1m \u010do zlep\u0161i\u0165, ale pre\u0161lo p\u00e1r mesiacov, rokov&#8230; a\u00a0pritom ani v\u00f4bec nemuselo \u00eds\u0165 o\u00a0t\u00e9mu vy\u017eaduj\u00facu aktualiz\u00e1cie. Nikomu sa preto nesna\u017e\u00edm nahovori\u0165, \u017ee jeden edit na konkr\u00e9tny \u010dl\u00e1nok je maximum. Ale&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Niekde sa tie po\u010dty editov redukova\u0165 daj\u00fa. A\u00a0takisto sa d\u00e1 zv\u00fd\u0161i\u0165 ich efektivita. Je to len o\u00a0chcen\u00ed. Len\u017ee o\u00a0tom je cel\u00e1 Wikip\u00e9dia. Tak pre\u010do u\u00a0\u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed chc\u00fa zlep\u0161ova\u0165 Wikip\u00e9diu, ch\u00fdba chcenie robi\u0165 to efekt\u00edvne?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ned\u00e1vno (vlastne to u\u017e bude nejak\u00fd ten mesiac) som osl\u00e1vila svoju 10\u00a0000.-tu wikip\u00e9distick\u00fa \u00fapravu. Neskuto\u010dn\u00e1 predstava, \u017ee som u\u017e desa\u0165tis\u00edckr\u00e1t klikla na tla\u010didlo Ulo\u017ei\u0165 str\u00e1nku. A\u017e mi je zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, \u017ee to t\u00e1 my\u0161 vydr\u017eala a\u00a0d\u00e1 sa \u0148ou veselo klika\u0165 aj \u010falej. Ale vlastne, \u010do tam my\u0161 \u2013 aj tak som editovala z\u00a0viacer\u00fdch po\u010d\u00edta\u010dov. Zvl\u00e1\u0161tne, \u017ee<span class=\"more-excerpt\"><a class=\"more-excerpt-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/?page_id=1571\"> (pokra&#269;ova&#357; v &#269;&iacute;tan&iacute;&#8230;)  <\/a><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":677,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1571"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1571"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1571\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3081,"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1571\/revisions\/3081"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/677"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.adhara.sk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1571"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}